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                        <title>2 Thunderbay Redundancy with RAID 10</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/hardware-compatibility/2-thunderbay-redundancy-with-raid-10/#post-1618</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[When you connect your SoftRAID volumes to any modern (10.9.5 or later) Mac OS, it will mount automatically, as we license the SoftRAID driver to Apple for inclusion in OS X installs. Feature...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[When you connect your SoftRAID volumes to any modern (10.9.5 or later) Mac OS, it will mount automatically, as we license the SoftRAID driver to Apple for inclusion in OS X installs. Features like rebuilds, notifications, etc will not work, but volumes will mount.

On the Mac Pro, there are 6 ports and only 3 independent buses! So you can easily figure out which ports are the same bus, like the left/right set and the bottom set.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>2 Thunderbay Redundancy with RAID 10</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/hardware-compatibility/2-thunderbay-redundancy-with-raid-10/#post-1617</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2016 20:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks for your quick reply!


If the enclosures are on separate buses (not just ports!) on a Mac Pro, yes they would work independently if an enclosure failed.


Plugging them into th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks for your quick reply!

<blockquote>
If the enclosures are on separate buses (not just ports!) on a Mac Pro, yes they would work independently if an enclosure failed.
</blockquote>

Plugging them into the 2 separate thunderbolt ports on my late 2013 iMac puts them onto different busses, correct? You're just specifying ports to refer to the daisy chain scenario? I thought that the 2 Thunderbolt ports would be on 2 different busses. And even if not, why/how would that affect redundancy of the external Thunderbays? Sorry if I am misunderstanding you here.

<blockquote>
There is one thing we should clarify, so you understand what you have. A RAID 1+0 is essentially a 2 or 4 drive stripe, with the additional 2 or 4 drives mirrored to each one.

This is why you can remove an enclosure and the volume will mount and why it can rebuild.
The caution is that when you remove the second Thunderbay, you are operating from a RAID 0 (stripe) volume which is not secure. If a disk fails when the others are missing, you lose data. (although the backup would be mountable!)
</blockquote>

Right, I understand a 4 disk RAID 0 is a bit risky as far as data loss, but in my situation it would only be temporary until the other Thunderbay returns (no more than a day or two probably). And as you said, the other one would still mount and work as a "backup" so there wouldn't be any data loss as long as there wasn't new data on the host computer during the time I was running as a RAID 0, or the data loss would be limited to that recent data. And without drive failure, I can just plug the 2nd ThunderBay back in and it would rebuild from the 1st Thunderbay's new recent data, correct?

But that brings me to my last question which is just to verify what options I have for mounting SoftRAID volumes in situations like these, namely on different computers:

1) If I move a RAID 1 array to a computer without SoftRAID, is it at least readable? Or would it not mount at all? Is writing possible at all given that writing to one of the disks could theoretically work, though it wouldn't be mirrored to the other disk?

2) For RAID 0 and RAID 10 situations, moving a device from one computer to another requires them both to have SoftRAID for either reading or writing? For example, in the use-case scenario I outlined above, moving 1 of the 2 Thunderbays (making it a 4 disk RAID 0) to another computer requires that computer to have SoftRAID installed for it to mount at all or be read at all? I know it's required to write, and I'm assuming you would need SoftRAID to read that array as well, correct?

Thanks again!]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/hardware-compatibility/">Hardware Compatibility</category>                        <dc:creator>TelosMachina</dc:creator>
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                        <title>2 Thunderbay Redundancy with RAID 10</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/hardware-compatibility/2-thunderbay-redundancy-with-raid-10/#post-1616</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[It appears you have the right idea. 
If the enclosures are on separate buses (not just ports!) on a Mac Pro, yes they would work independently if an enclosure failed.

There is one thing ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[It appears you have the right idea. 
If the enclosures are on separate buses (not just ports!) on a Mac Pro, yes they would work independently if an enclosure failed.

There is one thing we should clarify, so you understand what you have. A RAID 1+0 is essentially a 2 or 4 drive stripe, with the additional 2 or 4 drives mirrored to each one.

This is why you can remove an enclosure and the volume will mount and why it can rebuild.
The caution is that when you remove the second Thunderbay, you are operating from a RAID 0 (stripe) volume which is not secure. If a disk fails when the others are missing, you lose data. (although the backup would be mountable!)

We are planning on adding additional features over time to SoftRAID to enable confugurations as you are thinking about.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>2 Thunderbay Redundancy with RAID 10</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/hardware-compatibility/2-thunderbay-redundancy-with-raid-10/#post-199</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2016 16:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi. I wanted to verify what I think will work correctly in my setup: If I setup an 8 disk RAID 10 across 2 OWC Thunderbay 4s with each disk&#039;s mirror being on a different Thunderbay and each ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi. I wanted to verify what I think will work correctly in my setup: If I setup an 8 disk RAID 10 across 2 OWC Thunderbay 4s with each disk's mirror being on a different Thunderbay and each Thunderbay plugged into its own Thunderbolt port, I could survive an entire single Thunderbay hardware failure with both 1) no data loss and 2) no downtime (as in data would still work seamlessly without needing to restart, etc.). From what I understand, this ability requires each ThunderBay to have its own Thunderbolt connection to the Mac directly since daisy chaining it would thus make the inline Thunderbay a point of failure (ie, if the Thunderbay not on the end of the daisychain failed electrically or something then it couldn't pass the data through to the other Thunderbay) such that neither Thunderbay would be available. Am I understanding all that correctly?

My main goal with this setup is redundancy and reliability from hardware and hard drive failures. But another benefit (again, if I'm understanding all this correctly) is that I could move data to an offsite location for a temporary file transfer by simply unplugging one of the Thunderbays and just taking that one. This would also allow the other one to stay put and still be online until the other one is returned. Is that also the case?

Thanks for your help in figuring this out!]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/hardware-compatibility/">Hardware Compatibility</category>                        <dc:creator>TelosMachina</dc:creator>
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