High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3

High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 - High Sierra Issues https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/ SoftRAID Discussion Board en-US Sun, 26 Apr 2026 03:09:52 +0000 wpForo 60 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2506 Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:03:36 +0000 OS X appears to be moving towards a consumer focus, with little interest from Apple in servers, or high availability solutions.

All we know is we have been told Apple is locking down the OS, and only Apple Disk Utility standard volumes will be supported as startup volumes.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts from above. This is something we noticing for quite some time too. Apple doesn’t seem to be interested in Pro Users anymore. They are killing a complete ecosystem and loyal customer base. It’s a shame.]]> High Sierra Issues howdytom https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2506 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2504 Thu, 04 Jan 2018 18:59:00 +0000 High Sierra Issues SoftRAID Support https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2504 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2502 Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:03:42 +0000 We note that Apple is no longer going to support ANY booting from RAID volumes in the future. They do not support it now, and any queries we send are not responded to. So booting from SoftRAID will soon be not possible, we fear, and as it is, we are not going to be able to actively support (research) booting issues, as we will get no support from Apple on this. Most hardware RAID should boot from High Sierra, but we have seen instances where that may be problematic also. OS X appears to be moving towards a consumer focus, with little interest from Apple in servers, or high availability solutions. Does the new Mac Pro that's coming offer any help? I don't understand this move away from RAID as a boot drive at all (hardware and/or software). :-(]]> High Sierra Issues JayS_CT https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2502 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2500 Thu, 04 Jan 2018 10:44:02 +0000 High Sierra Issues SoftRAID Support https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2500 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2497 Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:40:08 +0000 BTW: Fusion drives are essentially a fancy version of concatenation. There is no redundancy and no striping. The only real benefit is the most frequently accessed data elements are moved to the SSD. High Sierra converts Apple branded SSD's automatically to APFS when installing High Sierra. the rest are not converted. Fusion drive are not supported by APFS at all yet. (But you can install High Sierra onto non Apple branded, APFS formatted disks - for clean installs. You cannot directly install onto non standard volumes, such as SoftRAID or Apple RAID volumes at this time.) Its still a bit confusing. Also makes it difficult for those of us who have chosen various offerings and need HS for the upgraded Pro Apps like FCPX. If not for those, I'd stay on El Cap until better RAID support is offered. My Macbook Pro is on HS, so I can get to to the Pro Apps there. As I think I mentioned I had an Enterprise level Sr. Tech tell me it would upgrade from El Cap to HS on a hardware based RAID 0 PCI/e card without issue. Wish I could believe it would be that easy.. :-( He said the install would leave it as non-APFS (since not Apple hardware) and proceed with the upgrade. If I thought it would be 100% safe to try having El Cap backups, I might give it a go. Just don't want to kill the PCI/e based card or disable it from booting because HS is installed and without a path back to El Cap..]]> High Sierra Issues JayS_CT https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2497 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2496 Tue, 02 Jan 2018 22:49:09 +0000 High Sierra Issues SoftRAID Support https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/paged/2/#post-2496 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2495 Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:16:20 +0000 Only SSD's in Apple format, that are internal disks. THe link you provided is good, and apparently CCC can clone HFS to APFS and APFS to HFS. good info. You're welcome on the link. :-) So we're not talking typical 2.5" SSDs on a pci/e sled attached to the bus, but more the internal built in SSDs like a Macbook Pro or even (interestingly enough) the Fusion Drives in some of the newer Apple devices which are hardware RAID 0.. Still wish I knew if High Sierra will recognize what were bootable devices (PCI/e, Software, etc.). Jay S.]]> High Sierra Issues JayS_CT https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2495 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2494 Tue, 02 Jan 2018 20:59:26 +0000 High Sierra Issues SoftRAID Support https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2494 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2493 Tue, 02 Jan 2018 19:56:38 +0000 The file system on the disk to be used as the source for cloning the boot volume has to be the same as the target. (I do not believe CCC or SuperDuper allow for mixing file systems on cloning, but they may allow cloning an HFS volume to an APFS, I have not tested that - certainly you cannot do the reverse at this time.) So for simplicity sake, keep both the 10.13 external disk (it can be any disk, formatted by Disk Utility as non RAID) and the internal SoftRAID volume as HFS+. Especially on the Mac Pro, stick with HFS+, as APFS boot volumes are significantly slower than HFS+ volumes (50% on HDD's and about 35% on SSD's). Its likely Apple did not consider users would notice or complain about slower performance with APFS, but it is a reality. On new machines, users are unlikely to notice the slowdown from APFS on their boot drives unless they run benchmarking tests. However, external HDD's will be noticeable slower than before. Thanks for the reply.. My understanding was SSDs were automatically formatted as APFS, but to your point then, install High Sierra to an HDD frist (which would be HFS), then CCC back to the RAID volume. On Macbook Pro, there was no option as it goes to APFS and yes is slower, but no way to get to Pro Apps (like FCPX) without High Sierra. :-( As for CCC, I found this on their page.. Hope it helps.. I was also curious though because I also have the Sonnet Tempo Pro which is a hardware RAID (currently bootable in El Cap). https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/everything-you-need-know-about-carbon-copy-cloner-and-apfs Jay S.]]> High Sierra Issues JayS_CT https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2493 High Sierra 10.13.1 update and Softraid 5.6.3 https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2492 Tue, 02 Jan 2018 18:58:51 +0000 High Sierra Issues SoftRAID Support https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/high-sierra-10-13-1-update-and-softraid-5-6-3/#post-2492