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									How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra - High Sierra Issues				            </title>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/3/#post-3184</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, yes.

Apple decided not to allow starting up from SoftRAID volumes. 

We are researching this, but no easy answer has been found.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Unfortunately, yes.

Apple decided not to allow starting up from SoftRAID volumes. 

We are researching this, but no easy answer has been found.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/">High Sierra Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>SoftRAID Support</dc:creator>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/3/#post-3183</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2019 08:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[As of 10.13.6, you need to clone back for each Security update. It is a new &quot;feature&quot; of OS X.


OMG. Just upgraded to High Sierra yesterday. Today proceed with &quot;Security Update&quot; to 10.13...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>
As of 10.13.6, you need to clone back for each Security update. It is a new "feature" of OS X.
</blockquote>

OMG. Just upgraded to High Sierra yesterday. Today proceed with "Security Update" to 10.13.6 and it looks like even those Security Updates need to be done on an Apple formatted volume on other drive as reboot now enters to the No Entry sign on the screen.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/">High Sierra Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>hempa</dc:creator>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/3/#post-3006</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2018 22:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[What about if I want to do a clean, &quot;nuke and pave&quot; install of High Sierra? Does this mean that I actually have to install a clean version of Sierra to my boot drive first, then continue wit...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[What about if I want to do a clean, "nuke and pave" install of High Sierra? Does this mean that I actually have to install a clean version of Sierra to my boot drive first, then continue with the steps you delineated to "upgrade" to High Sierra?
</blockquote>

What you should do is install High Sierra onto an Apple formatted disk.
After you have it set up, then clone it to your SoftRAID volume and run SoftRAID (one time) to "rebuild boot cache" on the volume from the volumes menu.

Keep a clone copy of your volume up to date, you will need it again.

As of 10.13.6, you need to clone back for each Security update. It is a new "feature" of OS X.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/">High Sierra Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>SoftRAID Support</dc:creator>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/3/#post-3004</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2018 22:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks. This is what i&#039;ve done and needed to do, because of a security update... thanks again.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks. This is what i've done and needed to do, because of a security update... thanks again.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/">High Sierra Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>Joost</dc:creator>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/2/#post-3003</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2018 22:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Two part answer now:
You can install onto an Apple volume, and clone it. High Sierra will not install onto a SoftRAID volume. (Mojave will not install onto any RAID volume, even Apple&#039;s RAI...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Two part answer now:
You can install onto an Apple volume, and clone it. High Sierra will not install onto a SoftRAID volume. (Mojave will not install onto any RAID volume, even Apple's RAID as Apple is preventing non standard volumes from use as startup volumes)

However, with 10.13.6, even the Security upgrades do not install. So keep a clone on an Apple disk, then update the clone, then copy back. If your Startup and clone are SSD's this is not too long a process.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/2/#post-2997</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2018 14:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Is cloning still needed to upgrade a MacPro5,1 tot High Sierra? Even using SoftRaid Lite 5.7.2? Using a SoftRaid volume as startup disk.

Thanks,

Joost]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Is cloning still needed to upgrade a MacPro5,1 tot High Sierra? Even using SoftRaid Lite 5.7.2? Using a SoftRaid volume as startup disk.

Thanks,

Joost]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/">High Sierra Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>Joost</dc:creator>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/2/#post-2995</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2018 00:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This post will help users who startup from a SoftRAID volume to upgrade to High Sierra

Note: 10.13.2 also seems to be limited to Apple standard volumes, so even if you have High Sierra al...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<u>This post will help users who startup from a SoftRAID volume to upgrade to High Sierra</u>

Note: 10.13.2 also seems to be limited to Apple standard volumes, so even if you have High Sierra already installed, if the updater refuses to run, you may need to follow the below instructions.

<u>Issues:</u>
• High Sierra's installer will not directly install onto an Apple RAID volume
• High Sierra's installer will not directly install onto a SoftRAID volume
• High Sierra's installer can trigger a kernel panic on SoftRAID RAID 4/5 volumes
</blockquote>


What about if I want to do a clean, "nuke and pave" install of High Sierra? Does this mean that I actually have to install a clean version of Sierra to my boot drive first, then continue with the steps you delineated to "upgrade" to High Sierra?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/">High Sierra Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>melorama</dc:creator>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/2/#post-2893</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2018 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Good rant. ;-)

We will keep trying to encourage Apple to support booting from RAID volumes.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Good rant. ;-)

We will keep trying to encourage Apple to support booting from RAID volumes.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/how-to-upgrade-a-softraid-startup-volume-to-high-sierra/paged/2/#post-2891</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Maybe the market will tell them otherwise. This is probably being driven by security engineers, who are more concerned with hack/backdoor attempts than user experience.

Look at how you ca...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>
Maybe the market will tell them otherwise. This is probably being driven by security engineers, who are more concerned with hack/backdoor attempts than user experience.

Look at how you cannot even wake up a High Sierra machine with the keyboard any longer, you must use the mouse/trackpad and physically click it. Bet that was implemented by someone trying to prevent some type of remote event. But it is very annoying to users.
</blockquote>

Maybe you could "have a little chat" with John Ternus, Apple's new "Pro Workflow Team" leader, and remind him that "Pro Users use RAIDs too!" I wonder if Dominic Giampaolo realizes the "pro user" will still be using HDDs for a long time.

"As Apple's Eric Tamura noted at WWDC, most Apple devices have a single storage device (i.e. one logical SSD) making RAID, for example, moot. Instead, redundancy comes from lower layers such as Apple RAID (apparently a thing), hardware RAID controllers, SANs, or even the "single" storage devices themselves." - A ZFS developer’s analysis of the good and bad in Apple’s new APFS file system by ADAM H. LEVENTHAL - 6/26/2016, 8:00 AM

Moot? Apparently a thing? Really? The developer of ZFS, which Apple almost licensed or bought off Sun before Larry Ellison stole it, instead of building APFS, didn't know about AppleRAID? What did he think was responsible those software RAIDs in Macs? I'm sure he was thinking about the ubiquity of SoftRAID in the macOS universe. But he had to have known one can build a RAID with Disk Utility. Maybe?

Anyway, as John Ternus recently said to Tech Crunch in regards to the upcoming Mac Pro..

"..And so they’re now sitting and building out workflows internally with real content and really looking for what are the bottlenecks. What are the pain points. How can we improve things. And then we take this information where we find it and we go into our architecture team and our performance architects and really drill down and figure out where is the bottleneck. Is it the OS, is it in the drivers, is it in the application, is it in the silicon, and then run it to ground to get it fixed.”

Why do I feel like that last sentence was meant to pacify an already stirred up bunch of long time dedicated Apple power users? 

So if it's in the OS you'll fix it? Great! I've got two "fixes" for you Mr. Ternus. 

1. Why not code a modern multithreaded AppleRAID driver or work with the SoftRaid folks? I plan on using RAID 0s and 1s for... most of my computing life. And I'd like to be able to set up my system to meet my needs. Not Mr. Cooks' needs.

2. Also, would you please build into the audio kernel, inner-application multi-channel audio into CoreAudio? With the "world's most advanced operating system", and considering one of your main core user bases is made up of musicians and you still sell Logic X, why do we still have to use apps like Sound Siphon (it's a nice app, btw), to move audio from one app to another? And why are we STILL relying on ReWire to provide a function that should have been built into CoreMIDI 20 years ago? This stuff is so obvious. Yet, Apple wouldn't hesitate yanking these types of features out if it served some unrelated purpose. 

Frustrating! 

Sorry for the rant.
Steve]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://forums.softraid.com/high-sierra-issues/">High Sierra Issues</category>                        <dc:creator>nightwatch</dc:creator>
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                        <title>How to upgrade a SoftRAID startup volume to High Sierra</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the pointer. While this will not work with SoftRAID volumes, it is interesting. I brought it to the attention of engineering.

Its possible Apple will prevent this trick in a fu...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks for the pointer. While this will not work with SoftRAID volumes, it is interesting. I brought it to the attention of engineering.

Its possible Apple will prevent this trick in a future version of Mojave. We have been told explicitly that Apple does not want non standard volumes to be bootable for security reasons.]]></content:encoded>
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