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									macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini - Functionality Issues				            </title>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@wfiveash 
The fact that &quot;Disk Warrior&quot; exists and works is proof enough. 20+ years it has fixed volumes that do not mount.
 
we have been trying to get this fixed, but the way Apple engi...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wfiveash </p>
<p>The fact that "Disk Warrior" exists and works is proof enough. 20+ years it has fixed volumes that do not mount.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>we have been trying to get this fixed, but the way Apple engineering works is reproducability. Show specific steps to reproduce a problem, they can fix it.</p>
<p>"First Aid" never did much.</p>
<p>APFS is all that is being managed at present, so if we get APFS issues, we can report those and given steps, or a corrupted APFS directory, we can send that to Apple for evaluation. Problem is usually users do not want to send their "data" to Apple, understandably.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>this is a difficult kind of issue, as the occurances are relatively rare, and getting "steps to reproduce" extremely difficult.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/softraid-8-functionality-issues/macos-cant-repair-drives-on-thunder-bay-mini/paged/2/#post-23438</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@softraid-support So I understand, you are claiming that the filesystem corruption issue described in this forum thread is a result of a long-standing bug in macOS and not an issue with Soft...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@softraid-support So I understand, you are claiming that the filesystem corruption issue described in this forum thread is a result of a long-standing bug in macOS and not an issue with SoftRAID and that when a bug is filed with Apple on this issue, they close it because they can't reproduce it, correct? My question is: how do you know this is a macOS bug? If you have proof/analysis showing macOS is at fault, then this should make it difficult for Apple just to close the bug.<br /><br />I'm going on about this because I am very concerned about filesystem/data corruption on the large amount of storage I have managed by SoftRAID. I am not comfortable with the idea that if I do a macOS upgrade with my Thunderbay DAS attached and running the filesystem may be corrupted. If you are positive this is a macOS problem, I hope you escalate this issue with Apple since it directly affects the reliability of SoftRAID storage.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/softraid-8-functionality-issues/macos-cant-repair-drives-on-thunder-bay-mini/paged/2/#post-23337</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Feb 2025 00:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@wfiveash 
The problem is they get closed. Also, if bugs cannot be easily reproduced, they are closed. In order to ensure a bug is fixed, we have to have very reproducible steps. On bugs li...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wfiveash </p>
<p>The problem is they get closed. Also, if bugs cannot be easily reproduced, they are closed. In order to ensure a bug is fixed, we have to have very reproducible steps. On bugs like this, that is very hard to do.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/softraid-8-functionality-issues/macos-cant-repair-drives-on-thunder-bay-mini/paged/2/#post-23336</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Feb 2025 00:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@softraid-support Shouldn&#039;t a bug be opened if it is still corrupting external filesystems?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@softraid-support Shouldn't a bug be opened if it is still corrupting external filesystems?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@wfiveash 
Its been a bug for 15 years. Gotten better, but still exists. I don&#039;t know if we have a specific bug that is open.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wfiveash </p>
<p>Its been a bug for 15 years. Gotten better, but still exists. I don't know if we have a specific bug that is open.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/softraid-8-functionality-issues/macos-cant-repair-drives-on-thunder-bay-mini/#post-23331</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This seems like a major macOS bug, has SoftRAID filed a bug with Apple about this?  Is it possible to get a link to the bug report?]]></description>
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<p>Sorry. This is a macOS issue/bug. When you upgrade MacOS, sometimes it does not properly unmount external volumes, and directories get damaged. It is not related to SoftRAID itself, it is something that is more frequent with larger volumes.</p>
<p> This has been an issue for 15 years+.</p>
<p></p>
<p>This seems like a major macOS bug, has SoftRAID filed a bug with Apple about this?  Is it possible to get a link to the bug report?</p>
<p> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/softraid-8-functionality-issues/macos-cant-repair-drives-on-thunder-bay-mini/#post-23327</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@wbsmith 
You can run First Aid, but it is useless, IMO
Only Disk Warrior can rebuild an HFS directory.
I rebuild my volumes about monthly, depending on usage. When you launch it gives a ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wbsmith </p>
<p>You can run First Aid, but it is useless, IMO</p>
<p>Only Disk Warrior can rebuild an HFS directory.</p>
<p>I rebuild my volumes about monthly, depending on usage. When you launch it gives a health indicator, which helps.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/softraid-8-functionality-issues/macos-cant-repair-drives-on-thunder-bay-mini/#post-23326</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@softraid-support 
I have submitted the kernel panic dump via their online form.  (I did get a web confirmation, but I haven&#039;t received any email acknowledgement.)
Separately, other than d...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@softraid-support </p>
<p>I have submitted the kernel panic dump via their online form.  (I did get a web confirmation, but I haven't received any email acknowledgement.)</p>
<p>Separately, other than don't have media attached during macOS updates, what general maintenance / preventive maintenance advice do you have for SoftRAID volumes?  For example ... Is Disk Utility safe to use on SoftRAID volumes?  Is there anything about running First Aid in Disk Utility that I should not do?  Should I proactively rebuild the directory periodically using DiskWarrior? </p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@wbsmith 
If you dont mind, report those crashes to alsoft, so they can fix it. I have not had issues running on Apple Silicon, but will try testing on a base Air I have here.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wbsmith </p>
<p>If you dont mind, report those crashes to alsoft, so they can fix it. I have not had issues running on Apple Silicon, but will try testing on a base Air I have here.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: macOS can&#039;t repair drive(s) on Thunder Bay mini</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/softraid-8-functionality-issues/macos-cant-repair-drives-on-thunder-bay-mini/#post-23314</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2025 06:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@softraid-support
Well, DW fixed it (which is great), and thanks for your help, but it was an ordeal. 
I could not get DW to work on the 16GB Mac Mini M1, even though I followed your sugge...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@softraid-support</p>
<p>Well, DW fixed it (which is great), and thanks for your help, but it was an ordeal. </p>
<p>I could not get DW to work on the 16GB Mac Mini M1, even though I followed your suggestion about running from a clean system.  (I also disconnected all non-essential accessories and tried safe mode as well.) It lasted perhaps a minute longer before crashing, and before it crashed DW displayed a new banner warning that the process would run slow due to low memory, but it still had the same kernel panic crash after only a few minutes. </p>
<p>What did work was connecting the enclosure to a 96GB mid-2012 Mac Pro running High Sierra, installing SoftRAID 7.6, and installing and running DW.  The SoftRAID volume was very slow to mount.  DW took a long time (the RAID had 400k+ folders and 4.8M files) but rebuilt the directory without incident and no errors flagged by either DW or SoftRAID. </p>
<p>The enclosure subsequently mounted back on the 16GB Mac Mini M1 as though nothing had ever gone wrong.  So I'm pleased that its fixed, but egads ... 2 days of my life stolen.  Thank god it happened on a slow work week. </p>
<p>I'm quite skeptical that DW is functional on low end Apple Silicon running macOS 15.3 -- it my experience it is not.</p>
<p>Boy o boy going forward I will remember to disconnect external volumes before doing *any* macOS update.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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