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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@astrostl 
Thanks, it would have minimal impact. Don&#039;t forget that a sustained read across all drives (the scenario) will flood the Thunderbolt bus, so this scenario of 2 drives going faste...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@astrostl </p>
<p>Thanks, it would have minimal impact. Don't forget that a sustained read across all drives (the scenario) will flood the Thunderbolt bus, so this scenario of 2 drives going faster would have no real world impact, as with sequential reads on a volume, all drives would be requested to deliver data in order. which it will do at 2800MB/s.</p>
<p>At least we know this is a hardware design, not a faulty enclosure or drives.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I would technically surmise that it still has at least some real-world impact, as data that happens to land on the early blades will seemingly perform better in ops under duress as evidenced...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would technically surmise that it still has at least some real-world impact, as data that happens to land on the early blades will seemingly perform better in ops under duress as evidenced by certification and verification. I don't think it has one <em>that matters to me</em>, though, and my main concern was whether or not I had a weird/glitchy device. I'm satisfied that I don't, so thanks a bunch for co-testing it!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@astrostl 
This is a part of the hardware design apparently. I tested this here and see what you are referencing, so it is not a problem with your blades.
It appears the first two drives (...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@astrostl </p>
<p>This is a part of the hardware design apparently. I tested this here and see what you are referencing, so it is not a problem with your blades.</p>
<p>It appears the first two drives (PCI wise) get priority for read requests. (similar to my earlier description, but I am sure I did not describe it accurately from an engineering perspective)</p>
<p>There seems to be no difference on write requests when I tested.</p>
<p>This is a complex design to get 8 blades into one enclosure. You are likely measuring an artifact of that. It has no impact in the "real world", so lets ignore this.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Still present on 8.3 FYI.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still present on 8.3 FYI.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@astrostl 
I can&#039;t explain, but will discuss this.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@astrostl </p>
<p>I can't explain, but will discuss this.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 00:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Okay, here&#039;s a grand experiment. I did a verify of drives 1-4, 1-5, 1-6, 1-7, 1-8, and 3-8. Three performance profiles emerge (color highlights are mine): green == a verify around 50m, yello...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here's a grand experiment. I did a verify of drives 1-4, 1-5, 1-6, 1-7, 1-8, and 3-8. Three performance profiles emerge (color highlights are mine): green == a verify around 50m, yellow == a verify around 70m, and red == a verify around 100m.</p>
<p>It's clear that fewer disks results in higher performance, but there are themes and variations: disks 1 &amp; 2 are always green no matter how many drives are verifying, and 1-6 (six disks) gets better results than 3-8 (also six disks!).</p>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2024 04:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@astrostl 
This is how it was explained to me and something we have seen since Firewire.If you certify 6 disks only, I believe you will see the same behavior. (3-8)]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@astrostl </p>
<p>This is how it was explained to me and something we have seen since Firewire.<br />If you certify 6 disks only, I believe you will see the same behavior. (3-8)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2024 02:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not exactly sure how either of those follow. I always get 100% performance out of disk1 and disk2 in particular no matter how many disks are active, and disks 3-8 drop down to 50% perfor...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is actually an answer. It has to do with how IO's are queued with MacOS. If two complete at the same time, disk1 gets priority over disk2, so this reduces some latency on the first two drives.</p>
<p>I'm not exactly sure how either of those follow. I always get 100% performance out of disk1 and disk2 in particular no matter how many disks are active, and disks 3-8 drop down to 50% performance when the enclosure is saturated. So I couldn't say it's a disk1 &gt; disk2 thing, or that the difference is merely "some" latency.</p>
<p> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2024 00:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@astrostl 
There is actually an answer. It has to do with how IO&#039;s are queued with MacOS. If two complete at the same time, disk1 gets priority over disk2, so this reduces some latency on t...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@astrostl </p>
<p>There is actually an answer. It has to do with how IO's are queued with MacOS. If two complete at the same time, disk1 gets priority over disk2, so this reduces some latency on the first two drives.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: What would cause some drives to certify much faster than others?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2024 03:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[No apology needed! My hypothesis is not that there are consistently faster lanes (this seems disproven by testing), but that there can be bus congestion and prioritization when whole device ...]]></description>
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<p>@astrostl </p>
<p>Sorry, you did say that. I can inquire about this, there should be no difference between different PCI lanes.</p>
<p></p>
<p>No apology needed! My <em>hypothesis </em>is not that there are consistently faster lanes (this seems disproven by testing), but that there can be bus congestion and prioritization when whole device is jamming. I'll be interested to hear whatever explains the results I'm seeing, but it doesn't make the device unusable or problematic.</p>
<p> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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