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                        <title>RE: Express 4M2 \ Windows crash during large file transfers.</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/windows10-issues/express-4m2-windows-crash-during-large-file-transfers/#post-22022</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2024 21:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This is an excellent summary of the issue, but this needs to go through formal support.
go to softraid.com/support and fill in a support request. Use this summary in your description and th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent summary of the issue, but this needs to go through formal support.</p>
<p>go to softraid.com/support and fill in a support request. Use this summary in your description and then save a support file for Windows and when you get a reply, forward the zip file:</p>
<p>Run the Windows Diagnostic program with the drives connected. You can download it here: https://download.owc.com/diagnostics/windows<br /><br />This should generate a .ZIP file - When you get a response, reply with the zip file and any other descriptive information that can help them (copy/paste this post).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Express 4M2 \ Windows crash during large file transfers.</title>
                        <link>https://forums.softraid.com/windows10-issues/express-4m2-windows-crash-during-large-file-transfers/#post-22013</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2024 21:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I just got a OWC Express 4M2 to share files between my Mac Studio (m2 ultra) and my Windows 10 PC. When attempting to copy a large folder (approx 425GB) containing an image sequence of about...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="whitespace-pre-wrap break-words">I just got a OWC Express 4M2 to share files between my Mac Studio (m2 ultra) and my Windows 10 PC. When attempting to copy a large folder (approx 425GB) containing an image sequence of about 14,000 raw images / 30mb each image) from the SoftRAID drive to the PC, the system becomes unresponsive requiring a hard reset. No Blue screen, computer can still be used but can't be rebooted using the power options in start menu..</p>
<p class="whitespace-pre-wrap break-words">Important: This issue does not occur when copying FROM the PC to the SoftRAID drive.</p>
<p>On Mac (using Sonoma 14.5) the Softraid volume works perfectly read/write.</p>
<h2 class="font-bold">System Specifications</h2>
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li><strong>OWC Express 4M2</strong>
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li>Using 4x Western Digital WD_BLACK 2TB SN770 NVMe</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>PC Motherboard</strong>: ASUS ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><a href="https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-x670e-creator-wifi/helpdesk_manual/?model2Name=ProArt-X670E-CREATOR-WIFI">Manual</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>RAM</strong>: 32GB</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>GPU</strong>: NVIDIA RTX 4080</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Thunderbolt</strong>: 2x Thunderbolt ports on motherboard</li>
<li><strong>Mac Studio:</strong> with M2 Ultra / 64GB Ram</li>
</ul>
<h2 class="font-bold">Software Environment</h2>
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>SoftRAID Version</strong>: 8 (Also tested with version 4 / same issue)</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Windows Versions Tested</strong>: Windows 10 and Windows 11 (same issue on both)</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>RAID Format</strong>: APFS and HFS+ (issue occurs with both)</li>
</ul>
<h3 class="font-bold">Specific Scenario</h3>
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Copy of a 425gb folder</strong>: Image sequence folder containing 13,674 items, totaling 425.58 GB</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Initial Transfer Speed</strong>: Starts at 1.9 GB/s for about 40% of the transfer</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Issue Onset</strong>: Speed suddenly drops to 30 MB/s, system becomes unresponsive</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Outcome</strong>: Unable to shut down normally, requires hard reset</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Additional Impact</strong>: Sometimes compromises RAID integrity, preventing mounting on Mac after the incident</li>
</ul>
<h2 class="font-bold">Troubleshooting Steps Taken</h2>
<ol class="-mt-1 list-decimal space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>BIOS Updates</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Tested latest BIOS version.</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Reverted to oldest version.</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Tried a version in between..</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Result: No difference observed</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Thunderbolt Settings in BIOS</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Thunderbolt/USB4 Support: </li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Security Level: </li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">MMIO Resource: </li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Wake Up Command: </li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Result: Adjusting these settings did not resolve the issue</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Thunderbolt Driver (PC side)</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Tested NVM firmware versions 31 through 38</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Result: No improvement</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Thunderbolt Ports</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Tested both Thunderbolt ports on the motherboard</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Result: Issue persists on both ports</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ol>
<h2 class="font-bold">Additional Observations</h2>
<ol class="-mt-1 list-decimal space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Mac Performance</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">RAID drive works perfectly on Mac, with read/write speeds around 2300 MB/s (tested with Blackmagic Disk Speed Test)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Windows Performance</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Initial Benchmark: 950 MB/s read, 2300 MB/s write</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Then after changing SoftRAID volume 'performance settings' from 'Better Performance' to 'quick removal' and back to 'Better Performance' I get 2300 MB/s read, 2300 MB/s write in Blackmagic Disk Speed Test.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Windows Event Viewer</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Warning observed: "The driver detected that the device \Device\Harddisk5\DR5 has its write cache enabled. Data Corruption may occur."</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">This warning appears for each drive in the SoftRAID volume</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words"><strong>Post-Issue Behavior</strong>:
<ul class="-mt-1 list-disc space-y-2 pl-8">
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">After a crash during copy, the SoftRAID volume is unmounted in SoftRAID and cannot be re-mounted.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ol>
<h2 class="font-bold">Questions for SoftRAID Team</h2>
<ol class="-mt-1 list-decimal space-y-2 pl-8">
<li>Do I need to do anything special to prepare the Express 4M2 to work on windows/mac? Like preparing each NVME a specific way?</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Are there known compatibility issues between SoftRAID 8 and Windows 10/11 on systems with Thunderbolt 4?</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Could the write cache warning in Event Viewer be related to this issue? If so, how can it be addressed?</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Are there any recommended settings or configurations for high-performance setups like this one?</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Is there a way to improve the stability of large file transfers from the SoftRAID volume to Windows?</li>
<li class="whitespace-normal break-words">Are there any diagnostic tools or logs that could provide more insight into what's happening during these crashes?</li>
</ol>
<p class="whitespace-pre-wrap break-words">Any assistance or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and expertise.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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