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SoftRAID is not involved with the file system. Perhaps you are encounting Finder is treating this like an external volume, where the default is to ignore permissions.

 
Posted : 27/02/2017 2:15 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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No. The root permissions were written when the drives were configured/formatted. The permissions written do NOT HAVE A User level permission attached at the root level of the drive. That is consistent with the root level permissions on any drive.

Each folder's permissions below the root were imported with the folder through the Finder or by the app that I used (Carbon Copy Cloner, for the most part and by the Finder for others). As a result they may have been wrong to start with (wrong user) or were changed through some external means.

It's important to check this out and repair any mis allocated permissions and reflect the same through the enclosing folders. Since there is no system on this array, there is no other answer that I can see. Manually fixed all folder permissions and they seem to stick.

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Posted : 01/03/2017 11:20 am
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I will investigate this, but the SoftRAID driver itself never talks to the file system, or at the file system level. If this is an OS X bug, perhaps we can work around it.

 
Posted : 01/03/2017 2:16 pm
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Here is a more complete answer for you:
SoftRAID does nothing with the file system on the volume after we create it initially. We use Apple's recommended way of creating the HFS+ Extended File System on a new SoftRAID volume. If there are permissions/ownership problems, it is most likely the consequence of using Carbon Copy Cloner or possibly a Finder bug.

 
Posted : 01/03/2017 3:49 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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Thank you.

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Posted : 01/03/2017 4:01 pm
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Is there a way for the filesystem to use SoftRAID 4 volumes, e.g., to search in Spotlight, reindex and show the specifics of the files within Spotlight as do HFS+ volumes? I do notice that SoftRAID volumes are not recognized as HFS+ in DiskUtility and that other drives when they are used within a boot volume in SoftRAID likewise are not recognized in Mac OS Finder in Sierra, 10.12.3 or earlier.

I am considering reformatting my single drive partition in Mac OS, HFS+. Can this safely be done without ruining the RAID 4 array (which consists of) four 500GB drive partitions, including a partitioned 1TB drive, all SSD.

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Posted : 29/03/2017 9:46 am
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SoftRAID volumes are standard HFS volumes. There is a bug in Disk Utility in Sierra, where it does not list SoftRAID volumes in about this Mac, and should.

If your question is can you erase your volume without destroying other volumes associated with the same disks, the answer is yes. Erase will only erase the volume being erased, it does not affect any other volume.

A volume is a "container". A SoftRAID volume is a container just like any other volume.

In Sierra, Apple decided to add a fancy "feature" in "About this Mac" to show what kind of files are inside volumes, but left a bug that does list SoftRAID volumes in that list. We reported it, but it is not fixed yet. That bug does not mean the volume is not HFS based.

 
Posted : 29/03/2017 11:24 am
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I was going by the lack of info I get in Disk Utility (DU) that doesn't show the partition as an HFS file, rather listing is as "Unknown". Disk Info does show it correctly, however DU doesn't. We're kind of hampered by the fact that the OS needs to tell DU what the heck the partition is or is not to allow Spotlight to index it. I'm not sure but Spotlight seems to be a stand-alone utility in this regard.

As you said, in addition the contents of the partition isn't determined within DU because of this issue and so doesn't behave like any normal container. I assumed that it was because of it's unrecognized status, Is there some way you can fix this since it's actually HFS+? It's shown one way in System Info MacOS Formatted Extended (Journaled) and another in DU, a Logical Disk. I suggest that this is quite a different distinction from a Logical Volume. Not only that, but the other non SoftRAID disks are also affected by whatever is going on as they also become disrupted and not displayable by virtue of the differences in your formatting, requiring constant rebuilding in System Preferences>Spotlight>Privacy to force rebuild in Spotlight of the local non-SoftRaid device.

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Posted : 29/03/2017 1:35 pm
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My complaint to Apple is actually more involved. They (Apple) are researching my support request which apparently has been pending since Sierra was released. Thanks for your assistance in this matter. I have several issues involved detailed as follows:
1. Failure to display detailed file type detail info in Disk Utility as compared with About This Mac>Storage.
2. Wrong information in Disk Utility compared with About This Mac>Storage.
3. Missing information about HFS+ formatted drives external to Mac (particular to Sierra MacOS according to the vendor of the formatting software, SoftRAID LLC).
4. Lengthy reindexing required to access the detail usage, each time the internal drive is restarted (@ 20-30 min.) when externals are used, often requiring manual intervention/adjustment in System Preferences>Spotlight>Privacy to enable this to occur. Happens even though it isn't reflected in System Utilities as noted above.

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Posted : 30/03/2017 9:45 am
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Did you create a "RADAR" bug for this?

If you did, can you send us the RADAR number to our support email?

thanks!

 
Posted : 30/03/2017 2:22 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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What is a "RADAR" bug? Something on the Apple Dev site, perhaps? No, I haven't done that... Yet. Didn't you? Maybe that's why no one knows...

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Posted : 30/03/2017 3:02 pm
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It is how developers report bugs, yes.

We did report this, but we would tie our report to yours had you posted in in RADAR.

thanks!

I assume you just reported it to Apple customer service, then?

 
Posted : 30/03/2017 5:03 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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Yes AppleCare Support. They said they'd be escalating it. We'll see. I have another avenue as well.

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Posted : 30/03/2017 9:54 pm
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Henry, I appreciate your question, too.

Which would be the best setup (faster & safer) with the following:

2- 256GB PCIe SSD Flash Blades
1-240GB SATA SSD
2-2.0TB SATA HHD

RAID 4
2- 256GB PCIe SSD Flash Blades
1-240GB SATA SSD

RAID 1+0
2- 256GB PCIe SSD Flash Blades
2-2.0TB SATA HHD

 
Posted : 21/04/2017 11:11 am
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The Flash Blades are higher performing than standard SSD's. So a 3 disk RAID 4, would designate the SSD as the parity device, to get fastest performance.

On a RAID 1+0 volume, SoftRAID will automatically pick the HDD's as secondary disks and read only from SSD on reads.

 
Posted : 21/04/2017 6:05 pm
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