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Henry-In-Florida
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Hi,

I have a Thunderbay 4 configured as a RAID4 array and a Boot Volume. I recently had a bootable OS installed and working fine attached to an older MacBook Pro (11,3). Then I upgraded my MBP to a new version machine, and my troubles began. I also upgraded the Softraid to 5.6 driver.

Now the MacOS volume which is not part of the RAID4 but is formatted in SoftRaid is no longer recognized as a boot volume. How can I fix this?

I read another thread that says that CCC must be used to clone a bootable version of MacOS onto the drive. Apple tells me that a RAID array cannot be used to boot or install a bootable OS. Well, this drive is not part of the array but is formatted with SoftRAID. Apparently this is an issue with Sierra. Can you help sort this out?

Do I need to start a clean install and reformat with Disk Utility? Thanks for any advice on how to proceed with my apparently now broken install.

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 19/06/2017 9:41 pm
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Yes you should be able to just move the Thunderbay to a new computer and boot from it. We support this in all OS versions, through Sierra.

Also, you can install Mac OS 10.10, 10.11 and 10.12 onto SoftRAID volumes, with the mac OS installer.
(with 10.10, the install file may have to be on an Apple formatted volume.)

I think you are indicating you have a 3 disk RAID 4 and a 1 disk non RAID volume. You are trying to boot from the non RAID volume.

You should be able to run SoftRAID, select the volume tile, and "rebuild boot cache".

Let us know if this single step fixes your problem.

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 12:48 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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Yes you should be able to just move the Thunderbay to a new computer and boot from it. We support this in all OS versions, through Sierra.

Also, you can install Mac OS 10.10, 10.11 and 10.12 onto SoftRAID volumes, with the mac OS installer.
(with 10.10, the install file may have to be on an Apple formatted volume.)

I think you are indicating you have a 3 disk RAID 4 and a 1 disk non RAID volume. You are trying to boot from the non RAID volume.

You should be able to run SoftRAID, select the volume tile, and "rebuild boot cache".

Let us know if this single step fixes your problem.

Yes, specificallyI have a 3 disk (4 500GB volume/partition) set up and separate bootable disk in SoftRaid Thunderbay4 using v.5.6.

No. this rebuild the boot cache step did not fix it. However the icon does appear different (like an external drive icon) in the startup screen, however. I suppose I can try to rebuild/reinstall the system, next. Is that what you would recommend?

Henry

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 3:59 pm
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Does the volume show up in Startup Preferences?

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 4:30 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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Yes. The volume shows up, but starting from it gives me a big 0 with line through it.

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 4:48 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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Yes, and it shows up in the selection window when starting up with OPT key held down, now.

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 5:29 pm
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Boot into verbose mode and see if the last line is "waiting for root device".

The OS is Sierra?

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 5:51 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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The OS is Sierra?

Yes.

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 7:59 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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Boot into verbose mode and see if the last line is "waiting for root device".

In which condition shall I boot into SIngle User/Verbose Mode:
1. Trying to boot from the external ThunderBay, where I get the 0 with a slash?
2. Starting up from another known working drive?

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 20/06/2017 8:07 pm
Henry-In-Florida
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Boot into verbose mode and see if the last line is "waiting for root device".

The OS is Sierra?

Error message was, "This MacOS version is not supported," followed by a number that I did not write down. Will try to reinstall MacOS 10.12.5.

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 21/06/2017 8:35 am
Henry-In-Florida
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Same as before. Apparently, I've used my attachment quota so could not upload a screenshot! How do I clear out the previous uploads?

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Posted : 21/06/2017 8:43 am
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there is a problem in there somewhere. I have not seen Mac OS not want to boot from simply moving a volume to another computer (at least since Apple used to make Machine specific OS releases, which stopped a long time ago, as far as I know)

This means it is not a boot cache issue,but yes, reinstalling the OS should fix this.

 
Posted : 21/06/2017 11:02 am
Henry-In-Florida
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there is a problem in there somewhere. I have not seen Mac OS not want to boot from simply moving a volume to another computer (at least since Apple used to make Machine specific OS releases, which stopped a long time ago, as far as I know)

This means it is not a boot cache issue,but yes, reinstalling the OS should fix this.

Have you tried on MacBook Pro 2017??

Something is going on with this. I cannot install OS even if I erase the disc (either through SoftRaid 5.6 or in Disc Utility, which both work, BTW). Install still says that (when running install MacOS 10.12.5), it refuses saying that OS is installed. If I try to install from a USB stick (MacCreator), it also refuses with the same explanation in verbose mode, not valid. Apple says this will not work on OS Sierra as mentioned.

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 21/06/2017 11:08 am
Henry-In-Florida
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The question is can you fix this? Or in the alternative, can I reuse this drive as part of the RAID and give up on the idea totally? Doesn't seem to be any way to do on new machines.

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 21/06/2017 11:10 am
Henry-In-Florida
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Any better way to communicate than all this waiting days to get a message posted and days to get a response??

Macbook Pro 14" Retina 2021 M1 Pro internal 1TB storage, 32GB RAM, 4M2 Enclosure with 6TB NMe, RAID4 Storage, two external T3 enclosures (2.5TB online storage), JBOD 6x500GB, EVO SSD, RAID 4; MacOS 14.2.1

 
Posted : 21/06/2017 12:11 pm
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